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Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:46 pm
by anarky
I just really think the faces on the human characters are too stylistic to work properly with the near-photorealism of everything else. It's distracting. If the people are going to be that abstract, I'd prefer everything to be.
It's not simply because I liked the Tartakovsky cartoon, which was all abstract. Think of it this way: if you take Mr Incredible or Buzz Lightyear, who are incredibly cartoony, and put them in the backgrounds for Wall-E or Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, which are realistic, it's not going to work. Unless the whole point is to make some transcendent work of art where the divergent styles are the point, which I can guaran-damn-tee you is not what George Lucas is shooting for here.
I'm sure the people look the way they do because it's quicker to animate abstract faces than realistic ones. The aforementioned Final Fantasy movie took ages to make, bankrupted the production company, and still had very little going for it outside of the beautiful visuals.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:52 pm
by Senor JabbaJohnL
A lot of the other stuff looks to be stylized too, though. At CIV, Dave Filoni said they were kind of trying to have Genndy's characters over Ralph McQuarrie's backgrounds (which I've mentioned before; not trying to beat a dead horse or anything). So it seems like it was an actual conscious decision as opposed to a "we're cheap" sort of thing. I don't really think Lucasfilm needs to save money. Maybe it's different for the animation division, though.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:01 pm
by anarky
Yeah, but this is the same guy who claims Greedo was always supposed to shoot first, and Boba was always a clone, yadda yadda. Lucas spins stuff so much, I think he and his crew believe their own hype.
However, it may be a design decision made by the animation department. I doubt highly that that was the reason Lucas okayed it. In fact, I'd be willing to bet my left nut that, even if it was a conscious design decision, it was presented to him as a cost-saving measure.
In any case, I really don't see the point in watching this in a theater for $20 when it'll be on TV a few weeks later.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:33 pm
by Senor JabbaJohnL
On the spin thing, careful not to sound like peaches -- this is George Lucas we're talking here, not George Bush.

(Though who knows for sure what goes on behind the scenes.)
For the record, at least, I don't think they're showing the movie on TV. Or maybe you were just referring to the show?
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:17 pm
by anarky
The movie is the first four episodes, right?
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:39 pm
by Senor JabbaJohnL
The movie is made up of what were originally intended to be the first four episodes, but I have a hard time believing they'd replay them just a few weeks later on TV, so I bet the first episode shown on TV will be the one originally intended to be the fifth. If they do show the movie, split up, on TV in October or whatever, you'd think that would violate some sort of contract.
At any rate, I still want to see it in theaters. I guess we'll see in a few months if they show it on TV or not.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:09 am
by anarky
Releasing the first story arc theatrically isn't unprecedented. Battlestar Galactica did it back in the 70s. IIRC, this was always the plan for this.
I bet they still plan it to be a show, and are just keeping quiet so more people will pay to see it in theaters. I'm sure most would pass if they knew it would be on TV in a few weeks time.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:19 am
by Diabolical
anarky wrote:I just really think the faces on the human characters are too stylistic to work properly with the near-photorealism of everything else. It's distracting. If the people are going to be that abstract, I'd prefer everything to be.
TMNT had pretty much the same thing going on with its shitty looking humans and realistic backgrounds.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:04 am
by Senor JabbaJohnL
anarky wrote:Releasing the first story arc theatrically isn't unprecedented. Battlestar Galactica did it back in the 70s. IIRC, this was always the plan for this.
I bet they still plan it to be a show, and are just keeping quiet so more people will pay to see it in theaters. I'm sure most would pass if they knew it would be on TV in a few weeks time.
Possibly. But as far as it always having been intended as a movie, I'm not sure that was the case. We've been hearing about the movie for a while, but everything I've read says that they decided to release it theatrically after production had already begun and they saw some footage on the big screen. But, hell, who knows.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:51 am
by anarky
Diabolical wrote:anarky wrote:I just really think the faces on the human characters are too stylistic to work properly with the near-photorealism of everything else. It's distracting. If the people are going to be that abstract, I'd prefer everything to be.
TMNT had pretty much the same thing going on with its shitty looking humans and realistic backgrounds.
True that, now that you point it out.
However, TMNT had creatures as the main characters, not Hayden Christensen, so it seemed less noticeable.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:45 am
by Double_G
Diabolical wrote:TMNT had pretty much the same thing going on with its shitty looking humans and realistic backgrounds.
The human characters in TMNT didn't look as bad as the ones in Clone Wars. I mean, they made Dooku look like a goddamn bulldog.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:48 am
by Diabolical
anarky wrote:Diabolical wrote:anarky wrote:I just really think the faces on the human characters are too stylistic to work properly with the near-photorealism of everything else. It's distracting. If the people are going to be that abstract, I'd prefer everything to be.
TMNT had pretty much the same thing going on with its shitty looking humans and realistic backgrounds.
True that, now that you point it out.
However, TMNT had creatures as the main characters, not Hayden Christensen, so it seemed less noticeable.
Hayden and monsters: 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
I think a big part of the disappointment with the look is because this is Lucasfilm, the home of ILM. They're the ones that are supposed to go above and beyond with visuals, not give us something similar to what we've already seen.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:37 pm
by Diabolical
SPOILING THE SHIT OUT OF CLONE WARS PART 1
There are a couple of quick clips in the trailer footage which suggest that the opening scenes of the movie will show a squid-like spacecraft approaching at Tatooine and seizing a Hutt sail barge in the Dune Sea. Those aren't included in the most thorough reports we've had, so I'm not sure if they've made the final cut or not.
At the start of the movie, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker are fighting the droid army in the Crystal City on the planet Christophsis. From Coruscant, Master Yoda dispatches a new padawan to join them--a Togruta girl named Ahsoka Tano.
She brings an urgent message. The two Jedi heroes are to return to the Jedi Temple immediately.
When they meet her, both men assume that Ahsoka is going to be a new apprentice for Obi-Wan, now that Anakin is a knight; but the girl reveals that she is Skywalker's padawan, not Kenobi's.
And they still have to deal with the droid army.
Anakin and Ahsoka stage an assault on the Separatist shield generator, while Obi-Wan and Captain Rex of the 501st fight a street-battle against the forces of the alien general Whorm Loathsom--clone infantry against massive spider droids.
Outnumbered and outgunned, General Kenobi pretends to surrender, but turns the tables on Loathsom, and takes him prisoner instead--just as Anakin and Ahsoka take out their target.
Mission accomplished!
Returning to their cruiser, the three heroes find that Yoda has arrived in person (we saw parts of this scene in the trailer). Here, Anakin and Obi-Wan learn the news that prompted their recall to Coruscant: Jabba the Hutt's son Rotta has been kidnapped.
The Republic wants to win Hutt support by recapturing the Huttlet, so Anakin and Ahsoka will travel to the planet Teth to lead the rescue mission, while Obi-Wan heads to Tatooine to negotiate with Jabba.
On Tatooine, Obi-Wan meets Jabba in his fortress, and engage in a discussion--translated by the Hutt's protocol droid TC-70. Jabba want his "punky muffin" back (a line one of our sources really thought jumped the shark), and also wants the kidnappers--dead, or alive.
Meanwhile, on Teth, Anakin and Ahsoka are flying towards an old Hutt fortress when enemy fire forces their gunship to land. Believing that the Hutt was captured by renegades, they are surprised to find that their attackers are Separatist battle-droids.
With clone troopers and AT-TEs, the two Jedi scale the vertical cliffs on which the Hutt citadel rests. This is the big action scene that's already out there on the internet.
The Jedi emerge victorious, but they're puzzled by why they were facing Separatist soldiers. A servant droid directs them down to the castle dungeons, where they'll find the Huttlet.
Also waiting for them in the lower levels of the fortress is Asajj Ventress, the Sith Apprentice of Separatist leader Count Dooku. In spite of the Jedi victory, she informs him that everything is going according to plan.
As the Jedi enter the dungeons, Ahsoka asks Anakin if he realises they're walking into a trap... and yes, he does.
Soon after that, they find Rotta, leading into a comedy scene with a rather damp baby Hutt. But then the Jedi discover that Rotta is ill. Without urgent help, the Huttlet will die!!
Back on Tatooine, Jabba meets another visitor--Count Dooku himself! The Separatist leader shows the Hutt some holo footage of Anakin and Ahsoka stuffing a sobbing, snuffling "punky muffin" into a backpack. The footage makes it look as though the Jedi captured Rotta, and Dooku urges Jabba to join the Separatist struggle, in return for help in rescuing his boy.
Meanwhile, Anakin contacts Obi-Wan using the holocomm. The Jedi quickly work out Dooku's plan, and they agree that there's only thing they can do: get the sickly Huttlet back home to Jabba before he expires.
Before they can get off-world, though, Anakin's ship is destroyed on the landing pad by Vulture droids (this ISN'T the shot we see in the trailer, which comes later in the movie--it's presumably a cameo for the yellow Jedi Starfighter that LEGO released earlier this year). A renewed battle droid attack forces Anakin, Ahsoka, Rotta and Artoo to flee into the fortress and look for another exit.
The heroes find their way to the temporary shelter of the main Hutt audience chamber, where Artoo accesses the computer to find an exit, and Captain Rex contacts them.
But Anakin realises it's not really Rex. Through the Force, he detects the presence of his old enemy, Asajj Ventress. The heroes try to flee, but find Ventress herself cutting off their escape.
Anakin and Asajj trade insults, squaring off for a rematch after their last duel: but then Artoo manages to send all of them toppling down a hole in the floor--the sort of Hutt trap that Jabba will later send Luke down in Return of the Jedi.
Lightsabers ignite, and battle is joined.
TFN
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:15 pm
by Antropov
"Whorm Loathsom"?! Are you joking? Why not just call him "Badd Guy"? Fucking gay.
Re: How I realized I was over Star Wars completely
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:37 pm
by Diabolical
Antropov wrote:"Whorm Loathsom"?! Are you joking? Why not just call him "Badd Guy"? Fucking gay.
Need I remind you of Elan Sleazebaggano?