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Latest "Hulk" may not spawn a sequel

It's a tale of two movies, with an oddly similar ending.

Five years ago, "Hulk," the first movie based on Marvel's hulking green comic book character, rang up $245 million in worldwide box office but was widely dismissed as a commercial failure.

The second attempt, "The Incredible Hulk," amped up the fun factor and dialed down the brooding of director Ang Lee's original but is unlikely to gross significantly higher than its predecessor and might not spawn a sequel. And it's been dubbed a success. 

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What gives?

"We're happy with the financial results, even if they (only) reach the first film's levels," a Marvel insider insisted. "Having a sequel is not the definition of success."

That's fortunate, as even outpacing the first film's worldwide haul by 10% looks optimistic at this point, and that's not likely to stoke enthusiasm for a franchise follow-up anytime soon.

After four weekends, the Louis Leterrier-directed "The Incredible Hulk" has earned $125 million, the same as what "Hulk" had pulled in at the same time in its run. "Hulk" finished with $132 million, and its successor is unlikely to do much better.

Its foreign rollout is still in progress, with comics-friendly Japan among the territories the remake has yet to bow, but it appears likely that the Edward Norton starrer will struggle to reach $130 million internationally. The first film tallied $113.2 million overseas.

Action films tend to outperform internationally, though comic book adaptations can be a different matter if the fan base skews American. Marvel touts the Hulk comic franchise as its second most popular worldwide, after Spider-Man.

"All we can say as a studio is that we are very pleased with the result," Universal domestic distribution president Nikki Rocco said.

Despite the similarity of the Hulk films' theatrical runs, industryites suggest the lighter tone of the second film makes it more the vehicle to generate sequels, and some suggest the remake will prove a more lucrative DVD title than the Eric Bana-starring original. On the other hand, production costs and marketing expenses were steeper the second time around, totaling more than $200 million. The first film cost about $150 million to make.

Still, the dark original so turned off the Hulk character's fanboy base as to require a complete reworking of its big-screen rendering before a film franchise could be christened.

But Marvel has yet to greenlight a Hulk sequel. So other observers suggest the films' most important distinction lies simply in how well market expectations were managed in advance of their respective bows.

"Hollywood is always about perception," said David Davis, managing partner and entertainment analyst at Arpeggio Partners in Los Angeles. "The first Hulk (movie) had such high expectations after the NBC-Universal merger and was supposed to be critical-favorite Ang Lee's breakout commercial blockbuster.

"Then with the new Hulk film, Marvel was able to underplay the importance of the success after the great success of 'Iron Man' this summer," Davis said. "So the new one overdelivered, relative to its underpromise."

The Marvel-produced, Paramount-distributed "Iron Man" has fetched more than $563 million at the worldwide box office.

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Wait'll the doubters catch it, I want to watch it again already and I usually watch films ONCE :mabs:
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I'm going to definitely see it based on your recommendation.

I'm just not going to pay a penny to see it because Avi Arad is an asshole.
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The Unfortunate Reality Behind PUNISHER WAR ZONE...

Hey folks, Harry here... I know I'm not at Comic Con - but that doesn't mean I'm not covering it. At the PUNISHER WAR ZONE panel yesterday, Gale Anne Hurd told the audience that Lexi Alexander was on her "Honeymoon" and couldn't make it.

That is what we call a "story" - others may call it a "cover" and still others may call it a "bald face lie."

How can I say that? Well when I posted that Comic Con footage with the shitty music and terrible scratches (that otherwise rocked) - a source of mine that I've been in contact for years inside Lionsgate contacted me out of sheer frustration, whom I'll call JIGSAW. It seems that after a summer, where we've had incredible success with Superhero properties that were treated with respect by filmmakers that were left to do their thing... that Lionsgate has turned a deaf ear to all of that.

Lexi Alexander has been kicked to the curb - part of that treatment was her "honeymoon" from Comic Con. However, there's more totally awesome wedding gifts that Lionsgate has given the blushing bride. She's off the movie and wrapped up in a non-disclosure clause - so we won't be hearing from her anytime soon, UNLESS THINGS CHANGE RADICALLY - but Lionsgate isn't necessarily known for calming down. They've decided to market it HARD CORE - and they've decided to jettison the composer for the film in lieu of loud thrashing metal, because nothing says PUNISHER like raspy amps.

The music choice is very much about producing a soundtrack that'll sell well, fuck whether or not it serves the film. Jigsaw also told me - that the film may survive the manhandling, but will not be the film that lovers of Garth Ennis and Tim Bradstreet are hoping for. Expect an erratic head pounding METAL show.

I thought we were past that sort of shit.

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Director Lexi Alexander Booted Off Punisher: War Zone by Lionsgate?

I’ve put out the word for further confirmation from our staff—against terrible odds of hangovers and lipstick shenanigans—but a rumor is quickly circulating that Lionsgate/Marvel has kicked director Lexi Alexander off Punisher: War Zone. The film, which opens this December, is finished filming but apparently HUGE creative differences arose over…final cut? There’s a lot of speculation going around. Over at AICN, Knowles says the film’s composer is off the project as well, and Lionsgate is now transplanting the score with shitty heavy metal—as we suffered through yesterday while watching the rather kickass and ultra violent footage from Comic-Con.

Apparently Alexander’s candid potty mouth is contractually wired shut for the time being. Producer Gale Anne Hurd even announced that Alexander was on her “honeymoon” yesterday at a CC panel. Hah! Worth noting: Punisher: War Zone is probably the last R-rated film for a Marvel character we’ll see for sometime. I know that many of our readers were and remain highly skeptical of this flick, but my take is that it looks like unapologetic fun, a nice option for a double feature with Rambo or Commando. It’s also welcome—too welcome for 2008—to hear a female director speak her mind and take on the action genre. Oh, well. More as it develops….
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Seems to be a ton of rumors swirling about that Director Lexi Alexander has been booted from The Punisher: War Zone. Apparently, the movie is that bad.

The following is from IESB.net via a Punisher site.
Dolph Lundgren - a better Punisher than Ray Stevenson? "Hell Yes" says our Lionsgate insider.

You've been hearing the rumblings, you've seen the trailer and you witnessed the disaster at Comic Con (if not in person then vicariously through the many sites who ran stories on it).

The writing is on the wall - Punisher: War Zone is in major trouble.

Question is, was Lexi Alexander (and her composer as well) in fact fired off the movie?

News has been coming in from various sources on the web and it's all pretty accurate -- Lionsgate has another piece of shit film on their hands and they deserve it.

About three months ago, Lexi Alexander turned in her cut of Punisher: War Zone. After a small screening of the film to studio execs, we were told it was un-releasable and by far one of the worst movies ever made. Apparently, the dialogue and action sequences were so bad that it was practically unwatchable.

Was there anything positive to say about the film? Well, the lighting and shots were "pretty" and "postcard-like" but Lionsgate was in panic mode because, regardless what they tried to do with it, it wouldn’t be enough to save the film.

This leads me to my first question, why in the fuck would Lionsgate hire Lexi Alexander to direct this movie? What was listed in her credits that made someone at Lionsgate say, "Yep! She would be awesome to bring Frank Castle to life on the big screen and reboot this franchise!"

Bad call Ripley…Bad Call!

My second question, why would Lionsgate move forward with an obviously bad script? The IESB reviewed the script a while back, read it by clicking here, it was shit-awful then and it's obvious that the final product, the actual movie, is even worse!

Third question, so how bad is WAR ZONE exactly? Our insider tells us that Dolph Lundgren's 1989 Punisher is a masterpiece compared to this outing.

Welcome to Lionsgate Joe Drake, now go fire everyone who was involved with this project.

The good news is that since this movie is going to make two dollars at the box office, Marvel will end up getting their property back from the morons at Lionsgate. In a few years, Marvel will FINALLY be able to do justice to one of the coolest characters from the Marvel Universe, THE PUNISHER.
Sadly, it sounds like Tom Jane did the right thing by jumping ship.

I really think they should have ditched movie sequels made The Punisher as a television series on a cable network like HBO or Showtime and get someone who knows what the fuck they're doing. People get moist over most of the shows on HBO/Showtime, like the Sopranos, Oz, The Wire, Dexter, ect.
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Captain America is indeed in the deleted scenes of The Incredible Hulk.

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Four in a row: Grimlock was teabagged by the Shamwow guy.
Newcomer Punisher: War Zone, directed by Lexi Alexander and starring Ray Stevenson, bombed out of the gate with just $4 million from 2,508 theaters, a low average of $1,595 and good for only eighth place. It is less than a third of what the studio's first "Punisher" film opened to in 2004.
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oh, that came out already?
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I went and saw that this weekend. Pure comic book violence. It was better than what I thought it was going to be, but I thought it was going to be pure shit, so thats not saying much. It is absolutely a Punisher MAX movie...
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Saw Punisher War Zone.
Several people need to be banned from ever working in Hollywood ever again.
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It's a good thing almost nobody saw it.
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I also saw "Punisher War Zone". The over-the-top violence was fun, but not much else.
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Now that Mark Ruffalo impressed the pants off everybody with his Bruce Banner, and the idea of another Hulk movie is now feasible, here's what I want to see in the sequel.

The comic book "origin" on the big screen. I realize they've already established he was in a lab accident as an homage to the TV show. I'm not suggesting a retcon. I'm thinking Banner can be working for Stark at some desert testing facility at the beginning of the Hulk 2. And then this punk kid drives his jeep out onto the test ground. Banner runs out and saves the kid but the explosion turns him back into a mindless rampaging Hulk which then necessitates Ross and his Hulkbuster team to chase him again.

But more importantly, Rick Jones becomes the new Nick Fury in the Marvel Movieverse. After appearing in Hulk, he's in the next Cap movie trying to be his sidekick. And then he shows up in the Captain Marvel movie(s) where he's switching places with Mar-Vell clanging NegaBands together.

Then Jen Walters shows up in Hulk 3 for a blood transfusion.
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